defense over the next ten years. romney wants to spend $7.8 trillion on defense over the next ten years. so that kind of blows a hole in his budget. >> let me stop you right there. so we obviously, in the republican party, we have a bit of a battle between the realists and the neocons. the realists want to bring the spending down a bit more, agree with admiral mullen that one of the greatest risks we face when it comes to security is the debt over the long run. there is another faction of the republican party, and it appears that mitt romney is a part of that faction of neocons that believe that we need to keep spending an awful lot. >> look, we want to have the preeminent military in the world and we do and we're going to. you look at procurement programs like the joint strike fighter. the notion that there is not money to save in the pentagon budget, that it is not a bloated bureaucracy in many, many areas is just crazy. >> that's right. >> it's wrong. you know, in fact, i mean, it was a republican president, eisen